Internet in Belgium still sucks
Recently some of the larger ISPs in Belgium decided to finally open their eyes and increase their ridiculously low traffic limits. They even announced to entirely drop these limits for the more expensive ones. About damn time they did that.
Unfortunately, if you read the small letters, they still mention "$ISP maintains the right to lower the bandwidth for customers who have a higher traffic usage than the average for that particular product". Sounds pretty vague to me. I'd rather have a connection with a 250GB traffic limit, then signing up for something like this, which is totally unclear... Typical ... They really couldn't come up with anything better, after the big publicity stunts they organized? Belgacom, Telenet, you both fail once again.
On the other hand we have Dommel and Scarlet, who are offering Internet subscriptions with true unlimited traffic. But ... There is a big but ... I've got a Dommel subscription myself, actually their most expensive one. Since I live too far from the LEX, ADSL2+ isn't available for me, so I took a speedconnect plus, which is a VDSL2 connection. When I ordered it, the specs mentioned speeds of 18Mbps downstream and 1200kbps upstream, no traffic limit. The normal speedconnect was only 12Mbps, with a 500GB limit. I don't remember the upload speed.
I never even got to 250GB of total traffic in one month, but I wanted the highest possible speed. Hence I decided to go for the speedconnect plus. And then the trouble started. It took Dommel three (!) weeks to figure out if I could actually get that line at home, while it wasn't a problem according to their website. After finishing the administrative part, I had to pay €300 ASAP. When they received the payment, they sent me the Sagem modem, and I received an email saying this:
All services included in this proforma invoice will be activated or prolongated within the next 3 workingdays.
Please note that activations of internetaccess products can take up to 10 workingdays.
Until, another week later, I received an email with the installdate of my new subscription. Which would be another three weeks further ... What about the 10 working days in the previous mail? Disappointed with Dommel's way of treating (new) customers, I sent them an email with my complaints. They just denied the problem, saying they never make promises for an activation date. If that's so, they shouldn't mention any periods in their mails at all. But since there was very little I could do, I decided to accept the fact that I would still have to wait another three weeks.
And if that wasn't enough, two days before the actual planned installation date, I receive an email with subject "rescheduled: installation date of your dsl line" ... Again, ten friggin' days later. What the hell? I wonder if they treat all their customers like that... Oh yes, and meanwhile they even sent me a second invoice, to pay for the second month, while I hadn't been able to push a single bit through the line.
So, still lacking an Internet connection, I decided to stay away from home as much as possible, since about everything I do for living requires me to have an Internet connection. Then, two days later, being at a friend, about 30 minutes from where I live, using his Internet connection, I suddenly receive a text message on my mobile. The Belgacom technician that would install my line, would arrive in ... 20 minutes? WTF?! Lucky I was there with my bike, so I was able to arrive in time. But really, WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?!?!?!
Oh well, I was still somehow relieved that I didn't have to wait for yet another 10 days. Until the technician connected the line, and installed my modem. Guess what ... The Sagem Dommel sent me was broken, it did not sync. DAMNIT! Couldn't they friggin' test it before sending it to me? The Belgacom technician tested with his Bbox2, which worked fine.
Since Belgacom only came to install the line, his job was done after proving the line was OK. He told me to contact Dommel for replacing my modem, and left. So I call Dommel, told them the modem they sent me was broken, and that I needed a replacement. And I couldn't believe my ears. "Since the line has only been installed today, we are unable to test it. You will have to call us back, on monday." So, on monday I would have to call them, to hear that the modem was indeed broken, that I had to send it back to them, so they could test it, and if it really was broken they would send me a new one. So I would still not be able to use my connection, until somewhere the end of the next week. Fuck that. Jumped on my bike, drove to the nearest Belgacom shop, explained my problem to the friendly redheaded lady, and asked if I could buy a Bbox2. She checked a few things, and then told me the Bbox2 wasn't for sale. Some nerve cracked.
But then finally something positive happened. She simply told me "if it isn't for sale, then here you go". She packed the modem, gave it to me, and wished me a nice day. Whoa? Was I dreaming? I guess she had heard the cracking nerve :-)
Hurried myself back home, connected the Bbox2, and was online within minutes. Finally. And since the Bbox2 is actually the same hardware as the Sagem, I couldn't care less for the Sagem to get replaced. Nor did I feel like putting effort in sending it back to Dommel. Until I noticed several disconnects in a few days. So I contacted their support by email, saying I got a Bbox2 modem so that I could finally enjoy my new connection which I had mor than two months back, but that I had frequent disconnects.
At first, some guy over there almost insulted me for getting a Bbox2 modem rather than sending back the Sagem and waiting for a replacement. Yeah right, my experience with you guys in the last few months learned me I would be better of finding my own solution. Then he told me that the Bbox2 was also an ADSL2+ modem and because of that, my line wasn't a VDSL2 line but the modem would sync ADSL2+ rather then VDSL2. YEAH RIGHT. So they effectively blamed the problems on the use of an incorrect modem. Sure, sure, sure.
Fortunately the problems vanished after some time, even when using the Bbox2. So the explanation of the Dommel guy was total bullcrap. I wasn't surprised, to be honest. They seriously seem to lack any clue at Dommel. So after some more time I decided to finally send back the Sagem, so that I could replace the Bbox2 with the new Sagem (and open up the Bbox2 to try to get access to it's serial console. to prove it's running Linux, but that's another story).
While the DSL line quality seemed to have improved (I had a disconnect only every 36h, which is *normal* for several DSL products in Belgium - not to me, if they disconnect me every 36h it isn't always on, but I can live with that, although I'd prefer to have them every 24h or 48h, so that they are always during the night, when I'm asleep and don't notice it), the quality of the IP network seemed to have become worse. It seems that Dommel no longer peers on BNIX, and their transit providers didn't become any better either.
And whenever they seem to have issues on their network (like packet loss, or routes being completely unreachable), and you notice this when you got home from work, after 18:00, so you can't even call them to inform them about the problem. Add to that they are closed the entire weekend, so in worst case, you have a crappy connection for three days.
IMHO, if they can afford to organize a new years party in one of the more expensive Belgian clubs, and even spread that in the media, they can also open their bloody offices during the weekend.
So if you happen to do remote management, like streaming audio or video, or love online gaming, the only thing I can advise anyone is NOT to get a Dommel connection. You will end up being very disappointed.
And for Scarlet, since they have been bought by Belgacom, they'll probably use the same small letters allowing them to slow down your connection to speeds that are even worse than my first ADSL subscription ever, it's unlikely to be a better solution.
So right now I'm sitting at my desk, looking at the shitty Belgian weather, unable to play any game that involves online multiplayer, unable to use VoIP, unable to contact my ISP to ask them to resolve the damn problem, ... Just great, Happy Easter.
We still have a long way to go in Belgium :-( This is really getting frustrating :-(
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New speedconnect plus specs
Oh yes, and since Belgacom and Telenet announced to increase the traffic limits, the Dommel website now mentions 20Mbps GUARANTEED download speed, and 2Mbps upload, for my connection. But I have yet to see that happen ... They will probably act like Telenet in the past, and keep existing customers at original speeds until they ask for it themselves.
I've got these in my modem, but I am not getting over 15.35Mbps downstream, and 1.11Mbps upstream. I do know about overhead, but this isn't caused by it:
VDSL Version Firmware-VTU-R:1.0.7r57bIK105012 Time Dec 27 2007, 18:50:21
VDSL line status uSHOWTIME
Downstream line rate : 21648 kbps
Upstream line rate : 2848 kbps
Downstream Training Margin : 30.7 dB
Bearer1 Downstream payload rate : 16560 kbps
Bearer1 Upstream payload rate : 2048 kbps
TX total power : -21.2 dbm
Downstream delay : 14.4 ms
Upstream delay : 4.4 ms
Dommel installation
After 10 years I also has enough of Telenet. Loyal customers of Telenet aren't treated well. You get nothing special after 10 years. The only thing that counts with Telenet is your money. You must pay a lot and you will get very little service and product in return.
So after reading several posts at the site van Tik vzw http://www.tik.be (only available in Dutch), I decided to switch to Dommel. I also selected their most expensive product VDSL2 and the installation date would be 15 January 2010. Belgacom sent a young technician of subcontractor company to check my phone line. He had the plan on his laptop where to find it because I had bought this house and didn't need a Belgacom phone. I had Telenet phone at that time, and a few years later I switched to mobile phone.
That subcontractor couldn't find the phone line under the pavement [foot path, in Dutch we say: stoep, trottoir] because he didn't have enough experience, I found out later.
So I contacted Dommel online at their site, filling out the support page, and I would get another installation date. But due to the severe winter of this year this could very long. I still had internet access with Telenet because I have had a bad experience with EDPNet in June 2009. Back then I wanted to switch to EDPNet but because Belgacom couldn't connect me, I would have to buy a very expensive installation package. VDSL was not yet available to the other ISP's at that time. So I waited and stayed with Telenet until I was 100% sure I had a working internet connection with Dommel.
The severe winter period finally ended at the end of February and I received an email from Dommel with the new installation date: 2 March 2010. Another technician from the same subcontractor came and surprisingly found the Belgacom phone line simply by removing one more tile! The man gave me a long cable to connect to the Sagem modem for free, and I could use the exact same cable that I had between my computer and the Telenet modem, for my Sagem modem. After having followed the connection instructions I was connected to the Internet through Dommel! Since then I haven't had any problems whatsoever. I'm also very happy about the speed. I have to say that Dommel's VDSL2 was faster than Telenet's ExpressNet XL (I had the "shake" Internet + Digital TV). In the past I've had Telenet TurboNet, and Dommel's VDSL2 is certainly as fast as that. I cannot measure the actual speed. I guess you are doing that with some specific software, or on a particular website.
Then I also had to pay my bills in advance, which I did, otherwise I wouldn't get connected. But after having contacted them about that around 15 March 2010, they told me that I wouldn't have to pay anything anymore until the beginning of July 2010 because I already had paid everything until that period, in advance.
Nevertheless I'm very happy about Dommel.
I stopped my digital TV subscription with Telenet and turned in their digicorder but I still had to pay around 223.42 Euro for that digicorder. I had only used it for 11 months instead of 12 months. Can they ask so much money because I haven't had it for an entire year?
My experience with Belgacom (periodical disconnections)
Hello all
I would like to share my experience with Belgacom, hoping it will help some not to go through the same.
I use intrnet mainly for online gaming and need a stable connection, rather than speed, stability is important for me.
When I had to move to Belgium due to business, I researched which ISP could maintain long online sessions, a friend suggested Telenet, saying he doesnt get a disconenction or whatsoever with them.
Unfortunately Telenet did not serve the address I moved to, so I had to go with Belgacom.
I got my connection (ADSL) installed and opened my charachters in the game. It seemed to be working fine, but when i left them online in that night, i found all disconnected in the morning. I thought it was the wireless conenction so I switched to cable connection (had to a lot of cablework for that). Anyway, that night it went well and I went out to work, only to come back and find all disconnected in the evening. That went on like that for several days, and Icalled belgacom to complain. They decided to send a technician in. He came , checked the line and found nothing. He said please monitor for a while. I said, you didnt change anything, it will be the same. He said please monitor and give us feedback, we took it under folllow up. Of course the issue went on, and I called them again. They decided to send in another techician, who came and increased the connection speed (yes they can do that).
Meanwhile, I had observed that each time my game got disconencted, also my IP number changed. I told him that, he checked the cables once again, found nothing. He said with the new settings i should be fine, as he sees nothing wrong in the line test. He said if it doesnt work. He went away, and the issue lingered. Called them again, and got the third techinician coming to my home. He checked the line , the settings everything and found nothing wrong. I explained him everything in detail, and also that my IP is changing each time i get disconnected. He said: I m going to upgrade your connection to VDSL, we made another appountment and in the 4th technician visit, my connection got changed to VDSL. He also changed the phone plug at the wall to make sure it was conducting the signals well.
I was happy to get a faster conenction with no price up, but unfortunately the issue lingered: I was getting disconencted ever 1-2 days. So I called back, they proposed to send another technician. I said no, I want you to escalate this issue to your superiors, I cant keep having a technician visit every couple of weeks. They said they will, but still they needed to send a technician to confirm everything in the lione is really ok and stuff. So came the 5th technician to my home, i exlained him the story. He did the routine checks, confirmed everything is OK and he cant understand why I am getting disconencted. He called one of his supervisors, and gave the phone to me so. Here is the conversation:
- Hello Sir, can you tell me what is the problem.
- hello, I have been getting disconnected every day or two since i got my belgacom internet. I had 5 technician visits and got my line upgraded to VDSL but nothing helped.
- What kind of disconnection is that sir?
- Well, it is just a few seconds, but usually happenes when I am away from home or in the night. i also noticed that everytime i get disconnected I am being assigned a new IP.
- But sir, this disconnection is quite normal. We are resetting all IPs every 36 hours!
Yoiu can imagine my face when I heard this. This news was like a hammer slamming on my foreheaad. I was like:
- Wtf, how come, err, why
- That is so all around the world sir
- No, in my country i never got a new IP unless I turned off and on my modem.
-I dont know about your country but it is like that in Europe and America.
- OK i dont want to dispute about that, but WHY THE HELL DID YOU NEED TO SEND 5 TECHNICIANS TO ME IN ORDER TO FIND OUT THIS DISCONNECTIONS ARE ONLY YOUR ROUTINE
- Must have been some miscommunication sir, sorry about that.
God, I needed to leave office early each time a technician came home, and they dont speak English, so we had to communicate through Google translate. Each technician visit was a real pain in the back for me, and now that dude was saying there was actually no problem since the beginning, my disconnections were just a part of their shitty internet service.
He also added, as a solution I might switch to a static IP, but I had to about double my monthly fee for that!
So thats the story, made short as much as possible!
Now after about 9 months of routine disconenctions,I decided to swotch to another ISP. Scarlet claim they do not reset the IP unless i reset my modem. I want to believe them. Anyone have experience with Scarlet and can confirm the truth of their statement?
VDSL
Dommel support is crap and always has been.
I've been with them since Easynet kicked all their personal customers off and luckily have not had too many issues. Problem is that when you do you can be setting yourself up for a world of pain.
Forget trying to get anything done during the summer, I once had a client try to get a subscription activated, it took over 3 months and we lost the customer due to it.
I have the Netconnect with the Boost pack, I average around 950Kb/s and have a 200GB download limit, which isn't too bad.
I was thinking of going to VDSl but after reading your experiences I'm not too sure!
Has it got any better?
Do you know how many errors
Do you know how many errors you have on your line ?
The troughput goes down when there are lots of errors ( check the CV parameters )
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